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chelseamalaga

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Hi all,

I'm not sure if there's any Chelsea fans on this site. I can't say I met any Malaga/Chelsea in my time on the Costa! But still, thought I'd introduce myself in form of a new topic and ask your opinions on the AVB Sacking/New Manager situation.

Amongst Chelsea fans the reaction is very, very mixed. It's undeniable that change was needed and a big shake-up had to come in some form (and, unfortunately, the easiest way to do this is with a manager change) however AVB was generally 'liked' by Chelsea fans and most (obviously) wanted him to do well. However, as easy as it is to dismiss the sacking as another Roman rash-decision, this is the worst I've ever seen Chelsea play and some of his decisions have been quite incredible. Simple things that seem obvious like bringing Mikel on for Mata when we're chasing a game. Insisting on a terribly out-of-form, unhappy Malouda and seeming reluctant to play season top-scorer and proven goal-getter, Frank Lampard.

I think I speak for the masses of Chelsea fans when I say we're all quietly wishing for a return of 'The Special One' in the summer. And although the rumours crop up every 6 months or so/every time there's a manager sacked (probably not much need for the forward slash) - this time it actually seems a possibility.

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I've seen one Chelsea match LIVE, and that was the 7-0 trashing against Stoke in 2009/2010 (might even say that they are one of my favorites in the league)

The oligarch Roman Abramovich in not known for his patience with managers and I'm sure that AVB knew that when he decided to join the Blues. But curiously, wasn't it Roman himself who wanted to sign AVB in the first place? Or did Piet de Visser work his magic just he did with getting Scolari sacked? AVB was hired to make the necessarily youth cut in the team, but was not allowed to perform it. 

John Terry, Frank Lampard, Didier Drogba and Florent Malouda are all players whose path has come to an end at Chelsea. The Chelsea board may think otherwise, but just look at the league table and figure it out, they are already out-of-date. I'm not saying that they all should be shipped away immediately, but you shouldn't rely so much on them anymore. Lampard and Terry are icons at the club, so they could spent some years as more backup and then join the club's coaching staff. But not definitely as a starter for all matches.

In my opinion AVB was still too young and too unexperienced to take that leap of faith from Porto to Chelsea. As being as old as the veteran players at the club, it must have been difficult to him to get his authority through in the locker room. Didier Drogba, Lampard and Terry for example are not the easiest of persons I reckon. Their huge ego's and position's in the club's ranks are not so easily dismissed. 

And if AVB is going to Inter Milan next, he will face the same problem as he did at Chelsea. Too much veteran players who may not be willing to step aside so easily.

And when it comes to the New Manager issue, now they promoted Di Matteo from assistant to head coach. What new might he bring in to the game system? He must have accepted all the method's AVB used as he was his assistant manager.

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Definitely agree with a lot of what you said there. It's hard to say how big a part of team-selections and general decisions that Abramovich has. I do believe it was Abramovich himself who head-hunted AVB to ensure he took over.

Malouda needs to go, 100%. He's an on-off player who when he's happy and on form he's dangerous, but when he's not doing well and morale is down he's just awful. I still see Terry as a vital part of the back-four, his absence is always noticeable, but he definitely seems more prone to error, and slightly slower than previous seasons. I'd like to see him remain at Chelsea but not necessarily be relied on so heavily as he is now, the weight on his shoulders to carry the back-four could be a bit much for him these days. Lampard will be Chelsea's Paul Scholes and that's how he should be. He'll still score goals, he's a big game player who wears his heart on his sleeve and will still be a great asset, but he doesn't need to play week in week out any more - as you said, they're icons at Chelsea and should always have a role to play.

Drogba is a difficult one for me. The most frustrating player I've possibly ever watched at Chelsea. But capable of single-handedly winning games and producing moments of world-class football. Personally, I'd happily see his Chelsea career finish this season as he'll never be happy as a squad-player. However, we don't have the striker to replace him. Torres is clearly not right at the moment and has been playing as a winger, I genuinely am optimistic about him as the rest of his game has been really promising, but still, we need goal-scorers. Sturridge is not an out an out striker, he's a winger-come-forward type of attacker - again promising, but wouldn't fill the hole Drogba would leave.

Bosingwa and Mikel are other players who aren't good enough. Luiz needs to be in the Makelele role, we need creativity in the midfield, another winger and a proper centre-forward. Another Defender ideally, too.

A lot of problems at the moment, and it's a frustrating time as a fan. But hopefully a big summer of change beckons!

For the first time since I've been following Malaga, they're actually better than Chelsea!

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As for Di Matteo taking over it does seem a bit odd as it's likely AVB's system will continue to be used the only difference will be his presence. If that proves to be the case then the timing of the sacking would be really pointless, but time will tell I guess.
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They shouldn't have let Mikael Forssell go 

Everyone at HJK Helsinki are still bitter to Chelsea because of his transfer in 1998. There was no money included in the transfer and the only thing that Chelsea promised to HJK, was a friendly being played at Helsinki. By now, 14 years have passed from that - and we are still waiting for that friendly 

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Haha! I had no idea about that deal! I just remember this ginger 17 year old popping up one week in the cup and instantly started scoring. Fond memories of Mikael
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Well, today we'll see how RDM get his side going in the Premier as they face Stoke at Stamford Bridge. 

The match ends just perfectly before the Málaga-Levante kickoff, so should be able to watch them in row. 

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Haha! I had no idea about that deal! I just remember this ginger 17 year old popping up one week in the cup and instantly started scoring. Fond memories of Mikael


Came on as a sub for Leeds today in the 2-0 away win with a couple of minutes to go. He's only 30 now.
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Well, today we'll see how RDM get his side going in the Premier as they face Stoke at Stamford Bridge. 

The match ends just perfectly before the Málaga-Levante kickoff, so should be able to watch them in row. 


Well, the win was comfortable in terms of our defence looked solid and Stoke never looked a threat. But we struggled to really put away a 10 man retreating Stoke side, which isn't all that encouraging.

Improvements do seem to be happening though, slowly but surely!

Great weekend of results, I enjoyed my anti-social Saturday glued to my laptop
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Haha! I had no idea about that deal! I just remember this ginger 17 year old popping up one week in the cup and instantly started scoring. Fond memories of Mikael


Came on as a sub for Leeds today in the 2-0 away win with a couple of minutes to go. He's only 30 now.


Crazy, seems like he's been around forever. Hope to see some more 25 yard screamers from him soon!
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Amazing performance. So great to see such a spirited, passionate performance from Chelsea. It's been too long.

Terry, Luiz, Ramires, Ivanovic and Torres really stood out last night. Hope this can be the beginning of a turn-around at Chelsea. Excited for the CL draw tomorrow!

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As a local (?) Chelsea fan, you might give me the answer: why is it so difficult to use Luiz as right back rather than as centre back? He is good with the ball in his feet and has more powerful shot than Ivanovic (although he scored yesterday with his right foot) I find Ivanovic very frustrating as a right back as his crosses are not better than Jesus Gamez's ones at Málaga. He may find a good ball into the box every fifth attempt or so. 

Fernando Torres at Chelsea is another dreadful character. He has no self-confidence left anymore and it really shows. Yesterday he again had an excellent change to score, when De Sanctis rushed away from his goal, and left Torres in the narrow corner without the goalie. Somehow he still managed to miss that opportunity, but nobody talks about that anymore, as Chelsea got though to the next round. Why can't they put him play with the reserves for a while, to regain the confidence? 

It was true joy from Di Matteo as the final whistle came. But now, he should rest all the key players next weekend in the FA Cup, and gain focus to the ManC match in the league. And give some god-damn minutes to that Lukaku fellow, who is supposed to be the next Drogba!

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As a local (?) Chelsea fan, you might give me the answer: why is it so difficult to use Luiz as right back rather than as centre back? He is good with the ball in his feet and has more powerful shot than Ivanovic (although he scored yesterday with his right foot) I find Ivanovic very frustrating as a right back as his crosses are not better than Jesus Gamez's ones at Málaga. He may find a good ball into the box every fifth attempt or so. 

Fernando Torres at Chelsea is another dreadful character. He has no self-confidence left anymore and it really shows. Yesterday he again had an excellent change to score, when De Sanctis rushed away from his goal, and left Torres in the narrow corner without the goalie. Somehow he still managed to miss that opportunity, but nobody talks about that anymore, as Chelsea got though to the next round. Why can't they put him play with the reserves for a while, to regain the confidence? 

It was true joy from Di Matteo as the final whistle came. But now, he should rest all the key players next weekend in the FA Cup, and gain focus to the ManC match in the league. And give some god-damn minutes to that Lukaku fellow, who is supposed to be the next Drogba!


Yeah, I live in an area that's a hotbed of Chelsea support. The general thoughts on Luiz is that he should be further up-field, the 'Makelele' role, where Meireles or Mikel play. It'd make so much sense as he's an incredible footballer, great with the ball at his feet just at times he can make fateful errors. I'd never actually considered him as a right back, but that could be a good position for him - definitely. Ivanovic is a great player to have in your side but so often that final product is poor, as you said.

As for Torres, I think last night he played very very well. His talent is still clearly there, it's solely confidence that's pinning him back. The opportunity to score yesterday was by no means a given goal and I'm glad for once the media hasn't jumped all over it. In recent months Torres always hangs on the wings when he plays, a key sign of no confidence. He needs a goal, not a penalty, not a calamity, just a goal from somewhere to really re-ignite him. I remain 100% confident that it's a matter of when, not if.

It was great to see Di Matteo and everyone so happy at full-time, it's been so long since scenes like that have happened.  He'll field a strong line-up against Leicester I'm sure, as it is a quarter-final, and he of all people should understand the prestige of the cup! - But definitely certain players will need to be rested after last night's game/with the City game falling just a few days after. It'd be nice to see Torres and Lukaku starting up-front! Even nicer if they'd both score
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As you can guess from my account name im a Leeds fan and agree the Chelski were good last night , i also agree with all this dressing room power theory but it seems that Jose and Di Matteo have and are embracing it rather than doing an AVB and trying to fight it . Right or wrong it does seem from the outside that the old guard do rule the roost ,maybe its time you came and took papa smurf back PLEASE! just a thought though you boys are going to have to dig deep on transfers this summer to add some younger stars to try keep up with City and Ushitted thats Man Poo Shited
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