Chocky

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Reply with quote | #16 | It's either all ot nothing with that idiot Muñiz isn't it. Overly defensive and negative first half with Obinna running around helpless on his own, then suddenly 3 strikers and no width or crosses coming in.
FFS Sanz act now, look on the Foros Malaguistas, they are prepared to have a whip round so you can pay that utter wanker his sacking fee.
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Dipsy

Registered: 12/07/08
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Reply with quote | #17 | So another loss, but I didn't come away as disheartened as I have in the last few games. Valencia are a class team and we matched up to them pretty well, particularly in the second half. However, to get points, you need to be capable of scoring goals at one end, while not making silly errors at the other.
There were signs of improvement and this is clearly a different team when Apono is playing. I suppose you could say that the 3 central defender plan worked in as much as they kept the very lively Valencia attack relatively quiet for three quarters of the game. However that was all rendered worthless by Munua's error (though Stepanov should share some of the blame). Shame really as he'd had a good game up to then. I hope this hasn't convinced Muniz that 5 at the back is the way to go. While you might be able to justify it against attacks of the quality of Valencia, we shouldn't be using it against teams like Tenerife and Zaragoza. These are teams we have to beat and to do that we need to score goals (obviously). While I thought that Obinna did very well as the lone striker (he is better than Baha and Edinho in this role, much more mobile and can operate as a target man), we weren't creating enough chances with this system......and we need to create more chances as our conversion rate is so poor.
Apart from Obinna, the other encouraging performance was that of Mtiliga. It was a bit of a surprise to see him starting, but in this system the full-backs have to get forward more and he definitely looks a better bet going forward than Manu Torres.
One negative point is that we continue to be unable to deliver dead balls with any accuracy. It doesn't matter if it is Duda, Luque, Obinna or whoever, our free kicks and corners rarely create any threat. Don't they practise these things?
For those who want the instant dismissal of Muniz, I'm afraid that yesterday's performance has probably bought him time. There wasn't much in the way of a hankie-waving protest this week. I reckon that he'll be given a couple more games to show that he has turned it around. He probably need 4 points from the Tenerife and Zaragoza games, otherwise "a la calle".
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Etzo

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Reply with quote | #18 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Dipsy . While I thought that Obinna did very well as the lone striker (he is better than Baha and Edinho in this role, much more mobile and can operate as a target man),
This is the only part where I am disagreeing with you.
Yes Obinna played fairly well as lone striker, but as he is much more quicker than Edinho, I think he should be placed to the right wing. With his speed and with Edinho's height, we could end up scoring. According to Wikipedia, they both are 182 cm tall but at least Edinho looks taller!? This may affect to Albert Luque, but as he was quite invisible yesterday, he could be used as subersub. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saTGBjIwC-s
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ElAmericano Registered: 07/06/09
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Reply with quote | #19 | Etzo,
He was quite visible when he shanked his wide open opportunity following Obinna's nice cross
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Graham

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From a defensive point of view sundays performance was a considerable improvement on previous weeks (although we did allow them 3 chances in the first 5 minutes!), the new system seems to be working quite well,(but we did seem to revert to the usual 4-2-3-1 well before half time?) I suppose the players will need some time to get used to it!
My problem with it is that we just dont look a creative force going forward & the lack of goals will cost us in the end if we dont sort it out!
Munua does make me nervous with some of his antics but he does make some decent stops, problem is he does seem to throw in the odd "howler" in each game & at this level it costs us goals!!
The back 5 looked solid defensively & tamed, what is on paper, a very potent Valencia attacking force! Jesus Gamez & Mtiliga are encouraged to go forward on overlapping runs with the new system & on sunday they both did it to good effect. The problem was the delivery of the final ball wasn't good enough, although you cant always blame the crosser as there was often only 1 or occasionally maybe 2 players making runs into the box for them to aim at!
Weligton had another solid game & Stepanov is starting to look markedly better than Cuadrado (I did notice Helder Rosario was on the bench & when warming up didn't look like an overweight blob to me so hopefully he's sorted himself out?)
Apono had a good game again & is starting to look like he is back to full fitness. Xavi Torres put in another workmanlike performance but just seems to lack that extra bit of creativity!
Luque had a pretty quiet game. Duda teamed up well with Mtiliga working down the left flank but just didn't create enough with the final ball.
Obinna is a willing worker & I can see the argument for his hard work making him a M.O.M contender, but sometimes he seems to forget it's a team game & does too much himself when a pass would be a better option. He also seems to lack a steady nerve, especially in front of goal! He missed an absolute sitter with only the keeper to beat to give us a draw.
A more encouraging performance but we need to create more chances if we are to start picking up points! 99% of the balls played into the opposing danger areas are played in from at least 20/30 yards away, easy to defend against! We need to play more football, like we did last season, & start playing some little short balls into the box, catching the defender "on the turn".Lets stop this long ball game we seem to have adopted!
If we are to continue with the new formation next week I'd like to see Edinho as the lone striker with Obinna wide right where he can use his pace & bring in Forestieri or Benachour (for the injured Juanito) in an advanced midfield role where they can try & play a little more creative football around the opponents penalty area!!
So my team for next week:-
Munua
Stepanov Xavi Torres Weligton Jesus Games Mtiliga
Obinna Apono Forestieri (or Benachour) Duda
Edinho This line up could transform quite easily into the 4-2-3-1 formation, if required, with Xavi Torres stepping up with Apono to form a "holding 2"
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RexFlin

Registered: 21/10/08
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Reply with quote | #21 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chocky It's either all ot nothing with that idiot Muñiz isn't it. Overly defensive and negative first half with Obinna running around helpless on his own, then suddenly 3 strikers and no width or crosses coming in.
FFS Sanz act now, look on the Foros Malaguistas, they are prepared to have a whip round so you can pay that utter wanker his sacking fee.
Chocky
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Chudderz

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Reply with quote | #22 | i agree with many things said about the subject but for me... my starting 11 for the next game would be a new foramtion yet again... based upon the formations used this season, i think the following may suit...
munua jesus games stepanov weligton rosario mtiliga/manu
xavi torres
obinha apono duda forestieri/luque/benachour edinho/luque/forestieri
this formation being 5-1-3-1-1 i think this combines a solid defense which works as we saw against valencia for the most part, xavi torres can play the holding midfield role to suit his hard working stlye and hence catering for his slight lack of creativity, and then we have apono centre mid to put in attacking work as well as defensive, then obinha and duda can play down the wings and then there is a lone striker with a support forward playing in just behind to help make up numbers in dangerous positions
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RexFlin

Registered: 21/10/08
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Reply with quote | #23 |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chudderz i this formation being 5-1-3-1-1
Certainly fool the opposition with '12' players on the field of play !

Rex
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Dipsy

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Reply with quote | #24 |
Quote: Did Senor Muniz receive the 'White Handkerchief' treatment from a crowd baying for 'Blood' ?
Not really. A handful perhaps, but certainly far fewer than after the Almeria game.
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RexFlin

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Reply with quote | #25 |
Quote: Originally Posted by DipsyQuote: Did Senor Muniz receive the 'White Handkerchief' treatment from a crowd baying for 'Blood' ? Not really. A handful perhaps, but certainly far fewer than after the Almeria game. Maybe the supporters expected a loss against 'Valencia' and perhaps the performance was more encouraging. At the end of the day the narrow defeat was a direct result of an error by the keeper and in all probability the result was far closer than supporters had expected.
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jim Registered: 21/09/08
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Reply with quote | #26 |
as chudderz said, maybe if we start with 12 we have a chance of winning |
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